Continued from
Part IV.
Folks, this will be the last post quoting Fr. O'Leary's comments. It's also the lengthiest one. I'll follow this one with my final thoughts on the issue tomorrow, or later on in the week.
Fr. O'Leary (in blue and italics) said, and I retort:
In fairness, the generation of John Paul II Catholics are often blessed with vibrant and joyful faith, and I have been moved and impressed by many who are adherents or products of Opus Dei or the new movements known as "the Pope's Armada". Generally, their wholesome piety is not associated with right-wing ideologies but with a love of the Church as seen through the prism of theologians like Hans Urs Von Balthasar.
A symbolic, yet condescending pat on our heads after basically psychoanalyzing us as the father-figured-needing, Mao-like-pope following bunch of uncritical anti-intellectuals.
I reserve the term Neocaths for a vocal ideological wing of the younger generation which is in alliance with older voices and organs such as The Wanderer, Catholics United for the Faith.
Ouch, Father! Those guys actually cringe at the term. From their perspective, you and I are neocaths of different flavors, but basically congenial; "neocaths" are us of the Vatican II generation.
The Wanderer crowd are not "neocaths." They are traditionalists, some critical, many of them uncritical. As far as I'm concerned, no
They are particularly well represented in the blogosphere. They are led by academic mentors such as the philosophers Peter Kreeft and Philip Blosser, and some of the more flamboyant voices are those of Christopher Blosser, Jeff Miller, Jimmy Akin, Oswald Sobrino, Mansfield Fox, Earl E. Appleby, Amy Welborn, Arthur Tsui, and at the youngest (and perhaps most genuine) end of the spectrum, Apolonio Latar III.
Granted that Drs. Kreeft and Blosser display a sense of academic sobriety in their writings, befitting men of their stature and academic preparation. But, calling Dr. Blosser's son and my better-known colleagues "flamboyant"—showy, colorful, loud, flashy, gaudy, glitzy, ostentatious, those are the other words the thesaurus tells me can stand for "flamboyant"—is a crass exaggeration. Nor do I see any of them kowtowing to the
The Wanderer's editorial line routinely. Nor are they people without depth: Jimmy Akin is an apologist for Catholic Answers, the nation's premiere Catholic apologetics organization; Amy Welborn is a recognized published author; Oswald Sobrino is a jurist; Apolonio is a theological child prodigy. None of them strike me as the blind, uncritical followers of a rock star-cum-pope, or of his reactionary successor.
Here are a few traits that seem to recur frequently:
The Neocaths are Catholics, with a certain prominence of converts from Episcopalianism or Protestantism. They are people of faith and piety. Their sincerity is not in question.
Good, good! Only our smarts and our psychological need for a father-figure are in question.
Father, I am a cradle-Catholic. I wish to say that I have been faithful to the Roman Church, but I can't. Thanks in part to the ministrations of a renown anti-Catholic controversialist named James R. White, I left the Catholic Church "through a Protestant door" back in 1992. I zigzagged within various Protestant churches, into the Anglican Orthodox movement and then into Eastern Orthodoxy, in my empty search for a Catholic Church without a Pope. After a spiritual crisis lasting over a year, I returned to the Catholic Church in 1998, and kept away from Catholic self-expression until last year. So, Father, I am a "reconvert," marked forever by my Eastern experience which, all truth be told, it is a Catholic tradition. Careful with your generalizations. But then again, you spoke about "prominence" so in all fairness, you did qualify your statement.
The Neocaths tend to sexual puritanism. Appalled by the consequences of the sexual revolution, AIDS, abortion, cohabitation, adultery, divorce, pornography, they retreat to the strictest Catholic doctrine as an ark of refuge. They are very vocal advocates and practitioners of a strictly-interpreted concept of sexual fidelity, with a strong emphasis on procreative sexuality. They insist that masturbation is mortally sinful, and have an especial enthusiasm for the teaching that homosexuality is intrinsically disordered and that homosexual acts can never be countenanced.
What's so wrong with all that? These are the Church's teaching on these subjects! Doesn't Fr. O'Leary believe in sexual fidelity? Shouldn't sexuality be procreative? Aren't intrinsically evil actions—like masturbation—mortal sins when done in full knowledge and freely? Isn't homosexuality intrinsically disordered? Father, are you taking the opposite stance to Church's on matters of fidelity, procreation, intrinsically evil acts, mortal sin, and homosexuality, as perhaps morally neutral, or even "good" under most circumstances?
Father Joseph, did you take this oath, or a similar one, at the time of your ordination?
I....in taking up this office promise to always maintain communion with the Catholic Church either in words that I will speak or in my way of acting.
With great diligence and fidelity I will fulfill the tasks which I hold the duties which I have with regard to the Church, whether it is the universal church or the particular church in which I have been called to exercise my service according to the prescripts of the law.
In the fulfillment of my task which has been committed to me in the name of the church, I will keep the deposit of faith undiminished, I will hand it on faithfully and defend them. I will avoid whatever doctrines are contrary to them.
I will follow the common discipline of the whole church and I will promote the observance of all ecclesiastical laws, especially of those which are contained in the code of canon law. With Christian obedience I will fulfill whatever the sacred pastors, as the authentic doctors of faith and teachers declare or which the governors of the church state and I will give faithful service to the diocesan bishops in order that the apostolic action in the name and the mandate of the Church to the exercise will be fulfilled in communion with that church.
May so God help me and his holy Gospel which I now touch with my hands.
How much weigh did you give this statement as a guide to your conscience? The question is a fair one to ask, considering your current and expressed dissent from Church teaching.
They denounce as apostasy a massive rejection of Vatican teaching among Catholics and call for bishops and priests to stand up against the tide of laxism instead of floating along with it.
Amen, brother! How come you're not?
The Neocaths are combative apologists. Their apologetics is sometimes directed against Protestantism, which they have no hesitation in branding a heresy. But it is more often directed against liberal Catholicism. They devote treasures of ingenuity to proving that the Church has never changed her teaching on anything -- not on usury, slavery, torture, the Inquisition, the Crusades, and above all not on sexual matters.
We're combative apologists, albeit some more than others and, with different degrees of success and shortcomings, like any other human group.
Do you know why we're a combative lot, Father? Because well-prepared, intellectual, academically-smart priests like you are not doing the job! They—you—seem to spend and inordinate time and ingenuity finding fault and "problematics" with received Church teaching instead.
The Neocaths are "young fogeys" -- they take a delight in sporting old-fashioned references, such as Chesterton, Belloc, C.S. Lewis, Garrigou-Lagrange, Sertillanges, and in exhibiting all the trappings of traditional Catholic piety -- the Latin Mass in particular.
I had to look the reference for "fogey" in Merriam Webster's Online—a person with old-fashioned ideas, usually used with
old—so the pun was lost on me. I've got it now!
I'll tell you why I like Chesterton, Belloc, C.S. Lewis, and Garrigou-Lagrange—I've never read Sertillanges. I do because these men's joined prayer, life, and writing in one single continuum tied up with their lives. As a counterpoint, in all the works I've read by Hans Küng—the best perhaps was
On being a Christian I've never once saw him write anything about how he prayed, or lived. Küng, McBrien, you yourself, are "saints" without biographies, shallow, without depths. Your
lucubration stand as mere abstractions; when put in practice they seem end in doctrinal, disciplinary, and moral disasters. Not so with Chesterton et al. Their lives "tracked" with what he wrote.
Moreover, these writers were daring thinkers in their own regard. The difference between them and you is that they held the past in vital dialogue with their present, without presuming that the past was intrinsically inferior to their present. This humility before the past enriched their writings accordingly. You lack that quality, Father. For you the past is something that is condescendingly acknowledged and then cavalierly set aside in view of "new findings" and "new data."
And I have already said that I am not a "Latin Mass" Catholic, nor expect to become one in the foreseeable future. Get on with the stereotypes, Father.
Oh, and your forgot to include Fr. John Hardon in your list of Neocath preceptors, an "old fogey" who fully embraced the legacy of Vatican II.
They distrust a list of Vatican II generation writers such as Rahner, Schillebeeckx, Raymond Brown, Richard P. McBrien, whom they often hastily denounce as modernists. At their best they draw they favour those they see as "ressourcement" writers, sometimes including even Congar (a hate-object of many conservatives), over the "aggiornamento" wing (a rather dubious opposition). They often seem to yearn for an idealized church of Pius XII, a vibrant flawless Catholicism that never was.
You are confusing us with Latin Mass traditionalists and perhaps, some us are. In fact, I consider myself a "traditionalist" in that most Catholic sense that I've received and that in turn we hand down the teaching we have received from our Catholic ancestors. Believe it or not, I've read Rahner—heavy, but not unorthodox; I've read Brown—can't avoid him if one refers to the
Jerome Biblical Commentary with any frequency—and I like him, although he's not above criticism.
I've also read McBrien's abridged, one-volume version of his
Catholicism cover-to-cover, more than once. I underlined it several times; wrote little notes on the margins, particularly at the page where he argues that no Christological truth would be compromised if it was ever determined that Jesus' conception was entirely natural. Sure, he didn't directly deny the Church's teaching, but with a wink and a nod, he seemed to say that if the reader doubted Jesus' virginal conception, well that's OK too, nothing's really lost. Instead of clarifying doubts, Fr. McBrien and company encourage them, even water them, and watch them grow. It is the same "demythologizing" drive one observes in Bulttman, albeit on a Catholic note.
It is this kind of literary subterfuge disguised as "criticism" and "open-mindedness" that I find so contemptible from thinkers of Fr. McBrien's school, which you applaud, Father Joseph. I don't like to pick up a work by a self-proclaimed Catholic teacher and then have to parse it the way I had to parse a reply by Bill Clinton on sundry issues. I would expect calculated ambiguities from someone like Clinton, but not from a Catholic priest, yet, here we are.
The Neocaths combine biblical and magisterial fundamentalism. They argue by proof texts, in complete contempt of biblical scholarship and hermeneutics. Their ingenuity in defending their fundamentalist stances is extreme, and will draw on ad hoc hermeneutics when necessary, but they are estranged from the broad current of Catholic biblical scholarship. A Neocath who would admit, for example, that the Genesis story of the Garden of Eden in not historical would not be a worthy representative of militant Neocath ideology.
A patently false statement, and a huge generalization. My brother in Christ and contemporary, apologist Dave Armstrong (
Biblical Evidence for Catholicism, Cor ad cor loquitum, would find such a broad distortion of "Neocath" scholarship laughable. Oh, I am sorry, I forgot that we're all sincere, but dopey believers.
The Neocaths are ill at ease with modernity. They feel they have seen through the myths of secular humanism, and the liberal culture of democratic discussion which they see as relativistic. They bewail confusion and uncertainty and call for a firm voice of authority to put an end to it.
Everything's correct in Fr. O'Leary's appreciation, except for the first statement and part of the second. We critique modernity and its assumptions over and over. So does the Church, the popes, the and bishops, all the time. Nor do we equate "democratic discussion" with "relativism." A society can have "a democratic discussion" without being relativistic. At least, I think Jefferson thought the same when he held the absolutes of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" as grounded on Natural Law. I don't think Jefferson saw himself as a relativist although he at times behave like one. But that wasn't relativism, that was hypocrisy.
The Neocaths are ideological and political rightists. Issues of social justice never appear on their agendas and Church documents such as Populorum Progressio, Evangelii Nuntiandi, Octagesima Adveniens, Centesimus Annus are ignored. Their papolatry commonly goes hand in hand with Busholatry. They play down papal opposition to the Iraq War, torture and capital punishment. Some may be active on social issues, but in their internet polemics this is scarcely in evidence.
Another bold, broad stroke. "Papolatry, Busholatry," ignorance, indifference to social concerns. The broken gong of Liberalism gone mad. Where do I start answering all these charges? I can't, because I don't have the genius, the inclination, or the time. But perhaps we could refer the good priest to Michael Novak's
The Catholic Ethics and the Spirit of Capitalism to get a starting point as to where many "Neocaths" stand on these issues.
And you know, I would vote for a pro-Life Democrat presidential candidate here in the U.S., willing to name pro-Life and strict constructionists judges to the Courts. Just find me one and we'll talk, even if he (or she!) weren't Catholic, I would vote for him/her. But I would never vote for one who boasted of his Catholic faith on one side, and yet stood arm-in-arm with NARAL activists singing paeans to "choice" and "reproductive rights." You know, the hypocrisy factor again. It seems that I'll be voting Republican for the foreseeable future, unless they themselves fall prey under the pro-abortion juggernaut. Then I'll look for other candidates.
The Neocaths are well organized, and have as yet no equivalent on the Catholic left. They know which lines to push and which to avoid. For instance, they will attack gays with a show of concern for the welfare of their souls, and in harmony with the letter of Catholic doctrine. At the same time they will be found bewailing the demise of sodomy laws.
The sex thing again. Let me borrow an arrow from the Liberal quiver, Father, and ask you, what the hell do you, a celibate white male, know about sexuality in general and homosexuality in particular? In my opinion, much less than what other male celibate priests who hold to the Church's traditional teaching know.
Again, do you remember ever taking an oath of obedience to the Church before or during your ordination? What good did it do?
The Neocaths are very quick to denounce liberal Catholics as heretics. Authority looms very large in their mental world, and is indeed its dominant theme. However, authoritative documents, or early utterances of Joseph Ratzinger, that go against their reactionary convictions will be whittled away. This is notably true of Dignitatis Humanae and Gaudium et Spes.
Perhaps we like and respect Papa Ratzinger better because he dared to grow up, while you are still a flower boy at heart, Father.
The Neocaths believe strongly in Hell, and play down the views of Von Balthasar and John Paul II that we may hope the Hell is empty. They insist on the physical pain caused by hell fire. They invoke Hell against liberal or what they call "dissident" theologians and against those they consider sexually deviant.
Father, if there is no hell, then one might as well not be Catholic, Christian, or even a believer. Might as well be a noble pagan, an ethical atheist. Or, maybe a Nietzschean, yeah, a thorough nihilist pursuing power, money, and sex, while squashing the little people along the way. Yeah, what difference would it make? If there's no ultimate sanction for our actions, if there's no Beatific Vision or if that vision comes really cheap, Christ's death was superfluous and his resurrection, quite unnecessary. And if He didn't rise, then we believe in vain, as St. Paul said.
I would hope that Hell would be empty, but I know it isn't. It is populated by people who deny its existence.
The Neocaths are joyfully uncharitable in their speech, trampling not only on political correctness but on the laws of libel.
"Political correctness" is now a virtue? The libel accusation is serious. Can you provide some more detail or were you "shooting from the hip"?
There is surely much more to be said about this social phenomenon. Its future evolution will be followed with interest. We can only hope that like the Neocon movement with which it has so much in common it will turn out to be an ephemeral excess.
This sounds more like a final plea for relevance in a world that have dared move forward, while leaving Fr. O'Leary and his clique behind.
Happily there is another side to John Paul II and his successor -- their concern for social justice and their ecumenical outreach -- which should ensure that the hothouse world of the Neocaths is not the future awaiting the Roman Catholic Church as a whole.
Father, I want to drink a little bit of what your having. Just a little bit, for a taste only. Apparently continuous use has a terrible effect on one's neuron count.
Now, suddenly, in the eyes of Fr. O'Leary, Pope John Paul the Great is not a Mao-like figure, and Pope Benedict XVI is not a reactionary who betrayed his first youthful impulses. Now they have "another side" which he now applauds and hopes, against all hope, that the "Episcopalianization" of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, continue unabated into a glorious future when doctrine would be seen as a quaint yet dangerous and divisive relic, the Bible as inspiring mythology, and Christian morality as merely suggestive and not prescriptive; and the denial of the mystery of the Church as an object of faith. Thanks, but no thanks.
How the legacy of Pope John Paul and Benedict XVI would allow for that, Fr. O'Leary doesn't explain. It is left to us to either awaken Fr. O'Leary from his stupor, or, failing that, sidestep him while muttering a prayer for God to show him as much mercy as He shows us.
Final thoughts tomorrow or later on in the week.
Concludes
next.